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Additional licensing – Time to throw down the challenge to the Local Authorities.
16/01/2014
11:42 am
Paul Routledge
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I attended the North Somerset Council Housing Forum meeting last night and on the agenda was additional Licensing. The new additional licensing is going to be introduced into an area of Weston super Mare known as the central ward, this area for those who do not know is notorious for drug, alcohol and crime related problems and this is where I was initially stabbed by a tenant 4 years ago.

I have 18 properties in this area all of which are in first class condition and are let out to benefit tenants, my tenants all respect the fact that I maintain the properties to a good standard reference properly to keep out bad neighbours and in return they pay the rent. During last night’s meeting I asked the question “Why are good landlords like me picking up the tab for the council to try and control the bad ones in this area, is this really fair?” and I also asked “If a bad landlord is just outside the area (Which I know of a few) then they will pay nothing and still be bad landlords, so why are you not just targeting bad landlords everywhere rather than in a selected area which will evidently include good landlords?”. I never really got a reply apart from the fact that the area might be extended to include other areas which would then take in all bad landlords, I then asked “So basically once you have sorted this area you will then add this licensing to every area in Somerset over a period” they replied “No”.  Mmmmm! at this point I wondered if I was the proverbial mushroom and being kept in the dark and fed s##t as I don’t think I was getting the whole story , do you?

Anyway all that aside let us assume that we accept the fact that they have introduced another paper shuffling exercise which we pay for to rattle their sabre at landlords, you and I know the good ones will pay and the bad ones will just stick up two fingers up at them like they have done for years and years before, let’s face it, if they could have done something about these problem areas in towns by more legislative paper issuing then they would have done it years ago and here is why.

In the old days before I was stabbed and started LandlordReferencing.co.uk I, like others used to be forced to sail very close to the wind when I came to illegal evictions, I needed to do this to protect myself and my business and as poacher turned game keeper I can tell you landlords will not invest into properties where they are not guaranteed that they are protected by law, landlords will not spend money and invest into a bottomless pit to pacify the council while another person is lawfully allowed to trash their investment, pension and income. The whole problem will result in a downward vortex of landlords trying to fix things cheap v’s tenants complaining and stopping the rent, resulting in shabbier and more dilapidated accommodation and hostile relations. Simply deprivation breeds deprivation and legislation is not a cure, education and unification is. I think the saying is “Been there done that”

So where do you start; additional licensing is just another bureaucratic stick that is doomed to snap over time,  the whole principle is to cover your whole body in Oxy10 to get rid of a couple of pimples on your arse. What these Councillors (most of who are never landlords) do not realise is that to clean up an area is not about coercing us all with threatening prosecutions or a £20k fine it is about working with the good landlords and tools like LRS and using their strengths to get the bad ones to understand the benefits of a community and working as a team and that will nurture them into wanting to toe the line. If however some landlords do prove to be maverick then after several evidenced attempts (Le3ts say 3) the council can use it’s powers to prosecute with the support of the full weight of the law. 

Several years ago when I could not check my tenants before LRS I just kept taking the guy next doors bad tenant and when they had finished trashing my property they moved on next door, since LRS I don’t have to take them and therefore I am happy to invest into my properties as the long term rewards are far greater. “A better class of accommodation gets better tenants”. You can ask anyone in Weston Super Mare, I have over several years taken 3 buildings on the sea front with 44 tenants in and turned them from almost the worst properties in Weston to probably the best affordable accommodation for single professional people, I did that with networking and uniting with my peers and LRS and not by paying another fee to the council for yet another duff license. 

Interestingly though I was never invited to the licensing consultation and still don’t know the credibility of who the consultants were in the additional licensing, would be interesting to know their pedigree! 

In Summary; I am going to ask for a meeting with the heads of licensing in North Somerset Council and I am going to ask them if I can have the name of every landlord that they are dealing with in this area, I am going to ask them if they will adopt LRS to work with them to stop these tenants getting roots down into these areas in the first place, and then I am going to go and see these landlords and ask them if I gave them a tool (LRS) which would stop them taking these bad tenants from one another and together we did not need to take tenants that smashed up their properties in the future would they invest into their properties to get them into good condition in the future, The benefits would be more stable tenancies, less damage and an increase in property values to the area.

What do you think they will say? “No I like my slums and the possibility of being prosecuted and fined £20k” or “of course I would, my tenants are my income; bad tenants are my worst problem”. I know which one I would bet on.

If additional licensing is really about committing to getting better housing stock then councils will work with us whole heartedly and promote us to all the landlords in this area, (in fact all the landlords they know) and that is because the best way to stop creating ghetto’s is to not allow people to create ghetto’s in the first place. As the old saying goes “you can take a tenant out of the ghetto but it is more difficult to take the ghetto out of the tenant”  you cannot just stick drug related dealers/dependents, alcoholics and criminals into palaces and hope that they will become kings and queens “They won’t”.

This challenge to North Somerset will be watched by many as If they do not accept to work and promote LRS to the landlords to stop the anti-social tenants getting into this area in the first place then the evidence will be clear to all that, additional licensing is not about cleaning up community housing and communal behaviour it is about making money and beating landlords with a stick to justify it.

 

It will be their choice.

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16/01/2014
12:15 pm
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Additional licensing–Time to throw down the challenge to the Local Authorities : http://ow.ly/sDPCV  Please have a read @guardianhousing

 

What fun it will be managing these licensing schemes as the economy booms & housing market transactions rise

 

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16/01/2014
12:40 pm
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Landlord xx 

A very valid point and that is why it is not about licencing landlords as after registration they could sell and there could be a new landlord within months who may not be fit and proper but still holds the license for the rest of the 5 year period. Cleaning up areas is about keeping the bad ones out and giving the good ones better homes for longer periods. You build a community spirit from within rather than assert truncheon tactics from above “I say!” 

16/01/2014
1:05 pm
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Well said Paul.

I can’t believe how much traffic this has created Surprised

Everyone who reads this needs to share this short-link : http://ow.ly/sDWLT with ATLEAST one other person, as it could truly work to make a difference and change the face of the UK private rented sector forever.
Landlords, Tenants and Councils need to realise that by working together we CAN make a difference!!!

16/01/2014
2:36 pm
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Paul the council has made its mind up and is unlikely to change.  Is it now time to consider the category of tenants who cause the most problems and eliminate them from our properties?  This is nothing to do with referencing just categorising groups of tenants according to perceived risk – without of course violating any discrimination law.  Just as the car insurance companies consider under 25’s to be a high risk we must risk assess our tenants and those in a class we perceive as high risk should be charged a higher rent or refused tenancies entirely.  I will leave it up to the reader to form their own opinions as to who are the high risk tenants.

16/01/2014
4:11 pm
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Superb post Paul, I feel your pain!

 

Sadly, I do not beleive that selective licensing has anything whatsoever to do with improving areas. There is absolutely no evidence of it ever having worked. Just ask the good people of Oxford who have had this for 6 years, then ask the people on Newham and then talk to people in scotland about Landlord Registration.

 

As you have said, these are just paper shufflers. They spend almost the entire amount of the money collected on the processes the implement to collect the money. This has more to do with “jobs for the boys” than anything else.

 

Of course your proposals make sense and they may even pay lip service to them but their real agenda is likely be far more sinister than they will ever let on and you will get nowhere.

 

I know that’s a very cynical view but it’s based on a lot of research I can assure you. I can happily point you to blogs from people working in Councils who say pretty much everything I’ve said above if you wish.

 

I wish you all the best with your crusade my friend but I think you are pissing in the wind. I hope I am wrong of course because it’s only a matter of time before my local Council get onto this scam too. If you win in Weston then I will be your biggest advocate ever if/when the Councils on the other side of the Country (Norfolk) try it on.

 

Best of luck

 

Mark

16/01/2014
4:41 pm
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Additional licensing – Time to throw down the challenge to the Local Authorities : http://ow.ly/sE0pE  Please read & retweet #landlord

 

An interesting read for tenants and LLs alike. Will check in later to read responses.

 

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16/01/2014
5:21 pm
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Mark,

Thank you for your support, I understand that some may think that the best thing about banging ones head against a brick wall is stopping, but I have to find out if there is any mileage in trying to work with NS to make a difference. If I get their support then it may actually change the face of PRS landlord, tenant and Local authorities relationships right across the country and that has to be worth a shot.

I have not asked to be united with RSL tenants I have asked to work with them to unite PRS landlords that they work with to reference together to stop anti-social areas. This is their mandate and it is hard to see why they should refuse, however I am a realist and understand that it may not be easy.

I truly believe that if part of licensing is that landlords are made to reference properly and part of that mandatory referencing procedure incudes lifestyle referencing then very simply we can stop more troublesome tenants coming in, the ones in will realise there is no place to hide and either behave or we will slowly get rid of them and once that all happens and we all have good tenants we can concentrate on getting all the properties up to scratch and keep them there.

It is ridiculous for authorities to think that they can gain the respect by demanding that landlords spend money on a property when they have their property turned into drug dens with the tenants not paying the rent, Local authorities need to realise that a few enforcement officers trying to bash up landlords with legislation will never clear up a depressed housing areas.  The real power is in the unification of the community all working together as one that will be the way to make a difference.

 

16/01/2014
5:29 pm
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This is your opportunity to really put LRS on the map Paul, much the same way as the Class Action campaigns against West Brom and BoI have taken Property118 to another level.

 

You have a superb network of landlords following you. The challenge here is to unite them all, rather than them each fighting seperate battles with there own councils as and when they latch on to the fund raising scam they like to badge as Selective Licensing.

 

It will be a lot of hard work to unite landlords, my own experience is that it’s like herding cats! However, with a lot of hard work and patience we have proven it can be done. When I set out to raise £100,000 as a legal fighting fund in the campaign against West Brom I had to deal with an unfair share of doubting Thomas’s I can tell you. However, we exceeded that figure and things are going well, albeit slowly as always when dealing in matters of law. I have even been invited to the Houses of Parliament next week to brief MP’s on the issues and I have a queue of journalists wanting to talk to me about the outcome of that.

 

My message is simply, you can make it happen if you have a burning desire and unite landlords across the length and breadth of the country as opposed to gathering a small group to challenge your local issue.

 

Good luck my friend.

 

Regards

 

Mark

16/01/2014
6:03 pm
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Paul R

I admire your indefatigable spirit and hard head from hitting it against that brick wall; but I have to agree with Mark’s erudite comment that with these councils you are 

‘P—ing in the wind’

Councils are ideologically against PRS LL.

They would much prefer there weren’t any.

As there are they will make it as difficult as they can for any PRS LL that deigns to offer accommodation to the council homeless lists.

They are NOT the slightest bit interested in ensuring the PRS LL has good tenants from them.

All they are interested in is passing off as many of their wrongun tenants onto the PRS LL and let them have the problems.

Doing so can save the councils fortunes in TA costs and they know the eviction process could easily last a year.

Indeed they actively go out of their way to ensure the tenant knows how to string things out as long as possible before they eventually have to pay TA costs again.

Councils have now found another way of raising money from a captive audience and from a demographic they know will have NO support or empathy from society in general.

Councils know they can enforce existing legislation against wrongun LL; but choose NOT to as they are NOT paid additional grant by govt to pay for such prosecutions.

So the best thing that PRS LL can do is gradually withdraw from the HB market leaving the councils in an invidious position of paying out far more in TA costs.

They are pathologically opposed to LL receiving council funds to pay rent and will do everything they can to prevent a LL receiving his due HB rent.

I am afraid councils are our enemy and until they recognise that we are providing a much needed service for which we expect to be paid they will NOT change their mindset.

We just have to accept this reality and do everything we can to stop councils taking advantage of the PRS.

NOT taking HB tenants is one way which attacks at source; a Council’s funds.

Trying to work with councils is a ‘bridge too far!’

It will NEVER happen!!

All one can do is to use regulations etc that are available to assist the PRS LL to receive his due HB; but which very few; including me are aware of.

But I am aware NOW!!

Using such regulations will get right up the councils nose; (which is good!), and will ensure that PRS LL should receive their HB rent.

Councils know there are regulations to facilitate direct payment of HB; but REFUSE to advise LL of the facts until they are prompted by the LL.

Effectively it means that EVERY  PRS LL could if they so wished have HB paid directly to them at the outset of a tenancy.

NO council will proactively advise PRS LL of these facts.

So the ONLY way to beat these councils is to ensure you know the regulations better than the council.

This is NOT that hard to do as most councils are pretty thick when it comes to knowing their own regulations.

Yes they will eventually introduce LL licensing across the whole country.

We just have to make sure that we use the existing HB regulations to ensure the HB is paid to us rather than the tenants having a jolly at the LL’s expense.

I think the adage of don’t get mad; get even!; comes to the fore here!!

You will NOT find the council receptive to your logical and admirable methodology of preventing wrongun tenants in an area.

The council has to get rid of these wronguns from TA into the PRS by hook or by crook; they will not advise the LL that a particular tenant is a wrongun, even though they know it to be the case.

There is a fundamental dichotomy between what the council needs to do and what the PRS LL wants to do; never the twain shall meet!!??

Which is why Mark’s comments were totally correct!!

 

16/01/2014
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Mark,

 

I agree, but as you know I am not shy when it comes to perseverance, as you are aware LRS enjoys a very large membership and readership across the UK so when it comes to “Making it happen if you have a burning desire and unite landlords across the length and breadth of the country as opposed to gathering a small group to challenge your local issue” I agree but the best way to advance in a battle is to start it in the territory you know, are trusted in and with a proven track record. Once you have conquered your own territory you can use that advantage and the knowledge that you have gained from it to leap the fence confident of success in someone else’s.

16/01/2014
6:21 pm
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Hi

Very interesting write up. I do not have near the same amount of houses. I am now retired and have been a landlady since my twenties and my parents before me. Therefore I have learn something after many years. One big one,never anybody on benefit again. Having had quite an eventful life good and bad–I put it all down to experience– people who cannot manage their money,for any reason,it is madness it put thousands into their hands and suddenly expect them to become accountants over night,what do they expect ? The money the council give the tenant–not the councils,or the tenants–is for the landlord. They are only getting the cost of a roof over the head of the tenant that the council cannot provide. The council are not some sort of wealthy charity providing the tenant with money for anything they so choose,that money comes from among others,us landlords. Why do the council have so much say with landlord and tenant, might be more success asking the local butcher !  If the council are having all this info on landlords,which incidentally the landlords have to pay for,why not have the same sort of info on tenants. I have nothing to hide and if a tenant wanted to check me out and I could do like wise I would be happy for that .

Just recently bailiffs cleared out people from a commercial building. The people were really put out that they had to leave. What I find hard to understand, this idea many have now that they can enter another persons property and really taken aback when the law has to get involved to evict them. The owner then had a building which was completely trashed. The poor man must have been devastated. What does it matter he is a landlord,must not have any feelings at all. Guess who is going to have to pay to reinstate it,let alone paying to get the people out. As these people are breaking the law why does the person in the right have to foot the bill. I suppose because these people do not work so do not make any money. When they get elderly we will pick up the bill for the home they go into! Go on landlords just keep paying out.

I really think the situation many landlords find themselves in needs to be looked into very soon. I like to help in this world wherever I can especially the less fortunate. What is happening is some tenants are being encouraged  to act unlawfully. That is what it is as if you are given money for a roof over your head and you do not pay the landlord that is stealing,let’s be honest.

You are doing a sterling job but I have decided that I am glad to give a service but am not prepared to have my life distrusted so much ever again. It almost made me ill as what the tenants on benefit do not realise or choose to ignore is the landlord still has to pay their bills. Even though you are just squandering other people’s money and I do not think that is something I want to encourage,which to me if you do not stop you are encouraging.

Take care landlords out there. We have to,nobody is going to care for us. Maybe some who have had enough might become tenants themselves. Then make excellent tenants,being glad somebody was good enough to give them a roof over their head and the least they would do would be to pay their rent on time yippee ! 

Regards Anne.

 

 

 

16/01/2014
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The point is Paul, you may well be a lone voice in your own area. Even if you do manage to gain support from a few others it will not stand for much in the grand scheme of things.

 

There are several people like you throughout the UK, if you unite, then you will have a much bigger voice in the media, in Parliament etc. You may manage to get your local MP on board but if every area in the UK currently affected by Selective Licensing had an MP backing you then you would have the makings of a very powerful team in Westminster.

 

The other point I would raise at this juncture is that your campaign must not be based on the LRS model, if it is then it will be looked upon as a commercial PR stunt. Property118 was the discussion forum for the tracker rate campaigns but nothing else. The exposure alone is enough, you don’t need to incorporate the LRS model into your campaign, even though it may well be the best solution to the problem. Let people figure that out for themselves. Your starting point, in my opinion, is to unite the people on the basis that Selective Licensing is proven not to work. The alternative solutions can come later.

16/01/2014
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Interesting, particularily bearing in mind our conversation earlier today.  I am all for raising standards, and most councils use the PRS as  back up, as we all know.

Count me in on the crusade.

Cathy 

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17/01/2014
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The point is Paul, you may well be a lone voice in your own area. Even if you do manage to gain support from a few others it will not stand for much in the grand scheme of things.
 
There are several people like you throughout the UK, if you unite, then you will have a much bigger voice in the media, in Parliament etc. You may manage to get your local MP on board but if every area in the UK currently affected by Selective Licensing had an MP backing you then you would have the makings of a very powerful team in Westminster.
 
The other point I would raise at this juncture is that your campaign must not be based on the LRS model, if it is then it will be looked upon as a commercial PR stunt. Property118 was the discussion forum for the tracker rate campaigns but nothing else. The exposure alone is enough, you don’t need to incorporate the LRS model into your campaign, even though it may well be the best solution to the problem. Let people figure that out for themselves. Your starting point, in my opinion, is to unite the people on the basis that Selective Licensing is proven not to work. The alternative solutions can come later.

Mark, 

I agree we need people to rally together and tell one another about this problem and obviously together we will have a louder voice , it is undoubtable the more we get the more we will get, and if that day comes we can then march on downing street en masse, but unfortunately rallying landlords is not an easy task and that is why the best landlord groups in the country can only boast 20,000+ members out of 1.5 million PRS landlords.  This government and the likes of shelter are more than aware that landlords do not have a union lobby group and we are easily beaten on the principle of “divide and conquer”. 

I understand what you say about forums, but unfortunately forums are nothing more that gossip to some, and a click in click out educational information page on the internet to others, they are not a preventative mechanism that can help change the problem.  I do not agree that my campaign should not be based on the LRS and the lifestyle referencing model, on the contrary the campaign is about LRS and lifestyle referencing and how the unification of landlords can stop bad tenants in their tracks and therefore reverse problem areas which are saturated with problem tenants. Problem tenants bring about problem housing and don’t forget if landlords interact on LRS and upload then the lifestyle referencing is still free and this will take away the question of us doing what we are doing purely for commercial purposes.

I am offering local authorities another instrument that will help them with the problems they are trying to resolve with additional licensing, I am not trying to fight to stop additional licensing because if I do that I will lose, (never fight an enemy you have no hope of winning against)  I am trying to find a compromising way of changing the big license stick into a community wand that will help landlords to get better tenants and therefore better long term investments.   

The reason that selective/ additional  licensing is so unpalatable to landlords is because they see it as just another tax, they do not see it as a way of getting them a better deal and better tenants they see it as paying away more money for the council to buy a bigger stick to beat them with. 

My mission is to prove that communities and landlords working together, lifestyle referencing as one can and will change the face of problem housing in this country, landlords and letting agents can and will be the gatekeepers to our communities because if the bad tenants can’t set down roots in our communities they cannot flourish and therefore without them others inherently have better homes and neighbours.

Some may well say that I am looking at landlords through rose tinted glasses when I assume that all landlords bought their property to get a solid long term investment for the future, an investment that offers continual rents and a rise in that investments over time, my plan will fail if it is proven that all landlords don’t care what tenants they take as long as the cash rolls in, but I don’t think that is the majority of landlords, do you?, and even if that is the way some landlords wish to operate then additional licensing and mandatory lifestyle referencing will soon show what they are really up too and they can then be dealt with accordingly. 

We will never be able to just evict bad tenants on a whip so the next best thing is to not take them in the first place and therefore I think that landlords will embrace an investment in a better future as long as that future is not just paying away to local authorities to shuffle more paper around by people who have never been and will never even be landlords themselves.

 

 

17/01/2014
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Hi Paul

 

I take your point, however, LRS is an alien concept to Councils. The fact that you own it will be seen by them as you pushing a commercial venture, they will never see beyond that.

 

A better strategy might be to show them a scheme which is already being operated effectively by another Council. You will instantly get the other Council on your side as a result of this. You can then explain your model to them and there will be a better chance of them adopting it and them selling the idea to the Council you are targeting. Peer to peer, third party endorsement will beat your own sales pitch all day long. It’s about boxing clever.

 

If I were you I would start with a Council like Southend or Lewisham, they have got it right in my opinion.

 

I’d be happy to help by introducing contacts if this is the way you decide to go.

 

Also, rather than marching on Downing Street, wouldn’t you prefer to have a couple of dozen MP’s fighting your side in a Parliamentary debate? Think about it, that’s exactly what Shelter do. How often do you see them protesting outside number 10?

 

All the best

 

Mark

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Mark, 

“Marching on Downing Street”  is just a descriptive way to portray the result of the power of the people  if they are united as one “We will march on downing street”  is used in many, many ways to show discontent amongst a certain group of people and their intention to get justice.  I don’t think readers herein think I was being literal that 1000’s of landlords were going to stand at the gates of Downing Street chanting free landlords from oppression.

However I feel we will have to disagree on what method you think should be used to get the councils to agree to help landlords to unite to stop taking bad tenants, having been on the front line as a landlord for 20 years and after being stabbed and having turned around over 100 properties from bad to good, I can assure you with that pedigree and coupled with having spent a small fortune building the only UK lifestyle referencing company to protect landlords which last month had over 71,000 unique visitors to the site and over 4,297644 page views to the website,  I do not intend to go to the council cap in hand and under a false pretence of Appling  as you say “A better strategy might be to show them a scheme which is already being operated effectively by another Council.”

I am sorry but it is just too unfamiliar to me to pretend to adopt another council’s strategy to BS  my way through the door to then try and change the rules once I am in, I have never pretended to be doing one thing whilst doing another, I have never needed to undertake the techniques of Judas Iscariot to convince others that LRS is a fantastic tool to help landlords protect their investments and income, it is just not in my making and I think these thing fail because people are not honest and transparent at the outset and if we cannot agree on a way forward without hidden agendas then I would prefer to walk away.

I also do not believe that we are alien to councils I just think we are a bit outside of the box because lifestyle referencing is such a new concept, but the boundaries are moving  in the PRS and RSL and councils  are starting to realise that they need to move with the times or they will end up with a housing catastrophe rather than just the crisis they have now.

Thank you for your offer of introduction to Southend or Lewisham council, I am meeting North Somerset today and if I fail with them then we can look at options to meet others.

17/01/2014
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Hi Paul

 

No worries, just trying to be helpful.

 

I wish you luck doing it your way. Others may unite and build on my suggestions.

 

It really doesn’t matter which method is effective, it just matters that Selective Licensing is scrapped.

 

Good luck

 

Regards

 

Mark

17/01/2014
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Mark,

Many others have tried and failed to do what we do and I wish them all luck in the future as starting a new concept in any profession is difficult, time consuming and very, very expensive.

Additional licensing will not be scrapped, those boots are firmly under the bed and that is my point, we need to work with councils so that the licensing not only benefits tenants with better accommodation but it is also used to help and support landlords in not taking one another’s bad tenants who destroy the property or don’t pay the rent.

Landlords who believe that additional licensing is to help them as well as tenants will be more receptive to being part of any future licensing scheme. There is nothing that makes a human being want to stop doing something more than feeling they are being used or neglected and that is the way that landlords in this country feel that councils treat them. My old man ones said “Son you get more with sugar than you do with salt” I know we can make a change if we stop feeding landlords legislative salt and start giving them sugar coated tenants.

17/01/2014
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Hi Paul

 

Landlord licensing was scrapped in Manchester following a 5 trial which cost all sides a lot of money and a scheme which failed to achieve anything positive. There is hope!

 

I am not suggesting that other try to copy your LRS model, that would be counter productive. 

 

My suggestions are to use a strategy whereby Councils lobby Councils on your behalf. They don’t all agree with Selective Licensing, the way to win this is to create in-fighting and get the Councils who don’t support selective licensing to support you. That way they are selling your concept, not you.

 

I don’t want to hog your thread, I’ve given you my suggested strategy so I will bow out gracefully at this point and allow others to have their say.

 

As I have said all along, I wish you the best of luck.

 

Regards

 

Mark

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