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Our message to the Police tonight - LRS not just a mechanism for landlords but for entire communities.
28/01/2014
12:30 pm
Paul Routledge
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Tonight, myself and Samii are attending the North Somerset PCC Public Forum /Tuesday 28th January 2014  One of the questions we will be asking is “when the police are constantly looking for ways to stop anti-social behaviour in our communities, why there is so much resistance for councils and police to recognise the vaccine, LRS?”

I just cannot get my head around the hypocrisy we see in our society when we are constantly bombarded by so much politics and political correctness that our police and councillors are compromised in their logic and sensibility. We hear from our politicians, police and local authorities constantly who impress upon us our duty to purge our neighbourhoods of those who are anti-social and criminally intent. They pour a deluge of legislation upon us almost daily to make us provide better accommodation and if we don’t, we ourselves get fined or imprisoned.  So why! Oh why! Oh why! do they not promote a service like LRS that will stop the rot in its track. Their reason is that they say everyone deserves a home and there is the hypocrisy.

How can these Government bodies request we work together to purge our neighbourhoods of this behaviour if they themselves do not sign up to the associations (LRS)  that have the tools to prevent problems in the first place, this must be hypocrisy at the highest level. It really beggars the question, “Do they really want to stop anti-social behaviour or do they just want us to believe they do while the truth is they know they can’t because of political pressure from the overzealous humanitarian liberals”.

The truth is, this bluster is not working and it almost seems that since the abolishment of National Service that year on year it all gets progressively worse as our youth comes through with no disciplines or acceptable role models.  We even see Neighbourhood Watch (who are a great national service and paid for by Government ) trying to convince the Country that the curtain twitcher’s are on top of the problem, when the truth is, how many of you reading this even know whether you have neighbourhood watch in your area. The realism of Neighbourhood Watch is.  when you are getting burgled the neighbourhood watches!  I can’t help thinking that although they offer a great service to communities, Neighbourhood Watch is just another fancy Government headdress to draw our eyes away from the real problem which is crawling like cancer through our communities “The drug dealers, alcoholics, criminals and anti-social dysfunctional feckless benefit cheats”. 

I once heard the saying “talk was cheap and actions speak louder than words” well, let us hope that tonight we are going to hear that North Somerset Police force that they are going to partner with landlords at LRS to become the gate keepers to our communities, they will say to the congregation we need your help because “If they can’t get roots down into our communities they cannot flourish”.  However, I feel that may just be a dream!

The question our peers need to ask is not about what we can do to clean up our neighbourhoods, it is what they can do for us to help make it happen and by them partnering with LRS, others will see what we do and they will join to work together. “no one is as strong on their own as we all are together” However, I fear that LRS is just too controversial for those who dread to step outside of the norm, an unsafe wilderness and an aberration.  We all know that controversy for a better good does not make you any friends, get you promotion, or get you votes, trust me, I know. So what politician, councillor or politician is going to  gamble on their future by stepping outside of the circle of trust , none I suspect.

I have written a quick statement below of LRS’s Aims and Objectives in order to assist anyone going to the meeting tonight and who is not aware of what we do, put them in the know as to how LRS can help communities and make a difference “If we really want it to”. If you are not attending the meeting, then please forward this onto your Local Authority Housing Department  and /or Police Crime Commissioner and ask “will you use this system to help us clean up and keep clean our community please?”

About LRS..

Landlord Referencing Service LLP (LRS) Is a Network Referencing Company that allows its members (Landlords, letting Agents and other bodies that let property) to network together to provide their previous and current tenants with references when they take up tenure in rental property.  LRS is a safe and secure membership organisation that offers good tenants better references, even if they have suffered bad credit in the past. LRS offers landlords and letting agents direct contact with one another in order to reference against those tenants who perhaps do not meet their contractual obligations, wilfully destroy property or whose lifestyle disrupts the life of neighbours and communities.

Landlords and Letting Agents can offer better accommodation to those who deserve it and not take those who are disruptive within our community or do not meet their responsibilities such as paying the rent and being good neighbours. In the current climate, where landlords are concerned with taking benefit supported tenants, good benefit supported tenants are finding LRS advantageous to them as they are getting good references and are not being judged on their benefit status but on their previous tenancies. This offers a much fairer system to good benefit tenants, whilst on the other side of the coin, it stops those who are constantly disruptive getting into a landlords property and this in turn is improving the areas in which they operated. The fact is that “if anti-social tenants cannot get roots down into these areas, then they cannot flourish”. The system works on the same principles of Neighbourhood Watch and Pub Watch.

LRS’s ultimate aim is to get better properties for those who want good homes whilst sending out a clear message to those who cause chaos in communities that their behaviour will not be tolerated.

A simple message “be a good tenant and get a better home, be a bad tenant and be homeless”

In the process of its growth, LRS has become a deterrent to those tenants who have no consideration for their home or community and members who tell their tenants about LRS have reported up to a 80% decrease in rent arrears, anti-social behaviour, drug related crime and property damage.

It is evidenced in our members that if enough people network together in a certain area, LRS members united together have shown the ability to act as the gatekeepers to our communities and that community spirit will help keep problems down in our neighbourhoods .

Join LRS Today Free

 

Paul Routledge CEO
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28/01/2014
4:37 pm
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I really cannot believe that Meeting may turn into yet another Advertisement of Landlord Referencing.

Frankly whether this Town or Country require Data being collected and passed on to heaven knows who concerns me very much.

One thing is for sure there must be some monetary advantage in it for somebody ?

For instance I note that to request Data held on a Tenant the Tenant has to pay £10.  Maybe it costs this amount for the Data Controllers to check this out.  Somehow I doubt it.  

Maybe a percentage of this £10 should be donated to a worthwhile Charity....say Shelter ?

28/01/2014
4:53 pm
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Hi Clive,

It is not a advert for LRS on the contrary it is about controlling anti-social behaviour in the town which once again landlords are being made to pay for or face a £20,000 fine, so yes we would like a say where our money goes and would like to know how they intend to resolve the problem that they have not resolved for the last 30 years without uniting the very people that end up with these bad tenants.

I can assure you that LRS do not make any profit from what it does so you are wrong on that account.

Last but not least apart from giving shelter more money to spread propaganda about landlords so they get more grants how would you resolve the problem as you seem to have a lot to say about LRS giving away data to god knows who (Which means you do not understand how it works)  but have not given us the pearls of your wisdom how to resolve the problem.

I await you suggestions with anticipation.

 

Paul Routledge CEO
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28/01/2014
5:20 pm
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I think you will find I have a very good idea how Landlord Referencing works ?

To continually attack Shelter is an error of judgement as many in Power in Westminster have great empathy with this organisation. Maybe, just maybe people would take your claims to be the Gateway to Society more seriously if you reigned in your dislike of Shelter ?

As for naming and shaming Tenants on your site suspect ICO may be very interested in this move ?

28/01/2014
5:44 pm
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Clive,

Your ignorance of what we do and how we do it before engaging herein is shameful and if you understood and maybe read any of what was posted on the site and above you would realise that.

With regards to Shelter I only make judgement on what I see and here and when I asked them if they would work with us to get better tenants better homes and bring awareness to landlords of what they need to do to be good landlords guess what they said?  They said they would partner with us if we paid them a £20k endorsement fee. You take from that what you will but Shelter do not house one single tenant whereby our member’s house 1000’s and 1000’s and are on the front line of bad tenants and anti-social behaviour every day and neither I nor them have ever asked for a fee up front to get a better PRS.

I will work and respect shelter when their directive to get better accommodation is to bring landlords and tenants together free and not try and charge others a small fortune to do so. I will also respect what they say when they address the problem and acknowledge the 100’s of 1000’s, of bad tenants that don’t pay the rent and/or trash someone else’s property Vs the small amount of landlord who fail in their duty of care  .

I am at the meeting this evening so come along and say hello why don’t you.

 

Paul Routledge CEO
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28/01/2014
5:59 pm
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Well good luck tonight Paul and Sammi.  As you know we support LRS wholeheartedly.  Why on earth should we not be able to stop a bad tenant in their tracks, before they go off and take another poor unsuspecting landlord or letting agent to the cleaners?

For your information, I even gained a new instruction this morning because we use LRS and the landlord wanted us to do it.  I am both a landlord myself and a letting agent of many years experience and I take what I do extremely seriously.  We use LRS to protect our clients even further - if you were a landlord, would you not want that added dimension to your management service.

Keep spreading the word, and keep up the good work.

Cathy

http://www.heritage4homes.co.ukl

 

28/01/2014
6:38 pm
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Good luck tonight Paul and Samii, please let us know how it goes: )

North Somerset Tenan said
I really cannot believe that Meeting may turn into yet another Advertisement of Landlord Referencing.
Frankly whether this Town or Country require Data being collected and passed on to heaven knows who concerns me very much.
One thing is for sure there must be some monetary advantage in it for somebody ?
For instance I note that to request Data held on a Tenant the Tenant has to pay £10.  Maybe it costs this amount for the Data Controllers to check this out.  Somehow I doubt it.  
Maybe a percentage of this £10 should be donated to a worthwhile Charity....say Shelter ?

Your presumptions are quite wrong "Tenant", maybe having a read of the site and how it works will have you better informed? Feel free to post any concerns that you have, the members here are always quite engaging, well informed and happy to assist. You'll be pleased to know LRS are quite legal with regards to data issues, otherwise I would not use them. You will also be pleased to know that because of LRS I personally am able to have a better understanding of each individual tenant I reference with LRS, and often housing those that would struggle elsewhere. Because of the LRS Lifestyle reference I am able to house tenants that have respect for their fellow tenants and neighbours, pay their rent on time, and even house those that have had drug, alcohol, mental or credit issues/problems in the past. My properties and their inhabitants are thus a better part of the community, smiled upon by the local Council and the housing/community teams that work with them. 

28/01/2014
9:29 pm
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North Somerset Tenan said
I really cannot believe that Meeting may turn into yet another Advertisement of Landlord Referencing.
Frankly whether this Town or Country require Data being collected and passed on to heaven knows who concerns me very much.
One thing is for sure there must be some monetary advantage in it for somebody ?
For instance I note that to request Data held on a Tenant the Tenant has to pay £10.  Maybe it costs this amount for the Data Controllers to check this out.  Somehow I doubt it.  
Maybe a percentage of this £10 should be donated to a worthwhile Charity....say Shelter ?

Absolutely there is a monetary advantage to someone; guess who.....................................the LRS members.

We are saved the monetary LOSSES that wrongun tenants cause!!

I fear you are one of the many tenants that doesn't like information about them shared with other prospective and existing LL!

If you haven't done any thing wrong you will have nothing to fear.

Good tenants also have their information made available to other LL.

So LRS is for good and bad tenants.

We LL want to know about both types of tenants.

Being a good tenant on LRS is a positive advantage for that tenant.

Not so a bad tenant.

So the answer is!?................................................................DON'T be a bad tenant!!

Having good references are crucial in today's competitive rental market.

LL don't need to take any old tenant dross anymore.

They can be far more selective as to who they wish to risk letting to.

LRS is now just another part of a PRS LL DD.

Normal referencing has been proven to be inadequate.......................................which is the WHOLE reason LRS was started in the FIRST place!!

Referencing is now a holistic process and to just pass credit checking etc. is no reference at all!

We PRS LL now are looking at the whole person; NOT just how he manages his bills!!

We have the right to determine who we wish to let to.

Just because you can prove you have always paid your rent on time is NOT sufficient information for a LL to take a view on whether the tenant is a viable risk.

There is so much more to being a good tenant than just paying rent on time!!

This is what exchanging information between PRS LL achieves.

LRS provides this facility presently; in excellent fashion.

Personally I think LRS should monetize it's membership to ensure that LRS can carry on and expand its facilities to PRS LL.

I appreciate I am a minority in this view.

However I look at Google who I use and who I have NO problem with them sharing any of that data with anyone providing I get all the Google services for FREE!!

Surrendering my anonymous details to Google concerns me NOT in the slightest!!

I would like to see lots of advertising on LRS to pay for further FREE services on LRS

I would like to see LRS become a mainstream website making lots of money for the owners who as well as drawing income continue to expand the LRS free services.

75000 members is a a very attractive demographic for industry advertisers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

29/01/2014
11:30 am
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We PRS LL now are looking at the whole person; NOT just how he manages his bills!! We have the right to determine who we wish to let to. 

 

 

Actually I think you will find that Paul Barrett is incorrect in this assumption.

Try playing the Christian Card against any Gay Couples and you will be landing yourself in a whole lot of trouble.

Lifestyle Choice segregation is a very dangerous path for any Landlord to take.  There will be one day a Court Case to clarify this I am sure.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

29/01/2014
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North Somerset Tenan said
We PRS LL now are looking at the whole person; NOT just how he manages his bills!! We have the right to determine who we wish to let to. 
 
 
Actually I think you will find that Paul Barrett is incorrect in this assumption.
Try playing the Christian Card against any Gay Couples and you will be landing yourself in a whole lot of trouble.
Lifestyle Choice segregation is a very dangerous path for any Landlord to take.  There will be one day a Court Case to clarify this I am sure.
 

Paul Barrett is not wrong.  The whole art of tenant selection is a holistic one - looking at the whole person.  There is an art in getting it right.  As for whether someone is a gay, is a christian or whatever - who really cares.  Lanldords and letting agents are not allowed by Act of Parliament to discriminate on those grounds - do it at your own risk.  If either myself or one of my staff are letting a  property, we dont care what colour you are, what your ethnicity is, who you worship, or who you sleep with.  The whole picture is looked at, and you get asked lots of questions, plus we always pass this information on to a prospective landlord before we proceed in taking your administration fee (which is clearly displayed in line with current regulations).  We use a huge dollop of our own experience of life and lettings, plus gut feeling and intuition, plus LRS and Homelet.  Our knowledge and experience in this profession is what we are paid for, and why landlords come to us to look after their property.

Who said anything about segregation - we are not talking apartheid here. We are talking about finding good tenants for landlords with good quality property.  Really, what do you find offensive in that?  As I have said to you before, we aint a charity.

Cathy

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29/01/2014
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We PRS LL now are looking at the whole person; NOT just how he manages his bills!! We have the right to determine who we wish to let to.      Actually I think you will find that Paul Barrett is incorrect in this assumption. Try playing the Christian Card against any Gay Couples and you will be landing yourself in a whole lot of trouble. Lifestyle Choice segregation is a very dangerous path for any Landlord to take.  There will be one day a Court Case to clarify this I am sure.  

 

I am not at all wrong in my assumption.  

Why would I be the slightest bit concerned about the faith or sexual proclivities of a tenant!!

Unless such activity caused disturbance to the neighbourhood.

The whole person is nothing to do with their religious or sexual activities.    

It has EVERYTHING to do with their BEHAVIOUR.

So if a gay couple had wild gay parties that would be an issue which would cause me to evict.

Same for wild sexual orgies which might spill out onto the street!!!!

What goes on behind closed doors and doesn't affect the fabric of my property; I would  NOT be interested in at all!

I make NO judgement on how people live their lives PROVIDING it doesn't affect the amenity of my property and the area.

So I would have NO problem in taking on a GAY Christian couple.......................................is that an oxymoron!!!??

I'm sure there are many prejudiced Christian hetrosexual couples that would believe that a GAY Christian couple should not be rented to.

It is not for me as a PRS LL to impose my beliefs or social mores on tenants of mine.

All I ask of ANY tenant types  is that they COMPLY FULLY with the terms of the AST.

Something that 150000 tenants last year failed to do as they were evicted by the LL for rent arrears etc.

 

             

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