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Nightmare tenants and slum landlords
10:26 pm
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Finally got round to see the latest episode of nightmare tenants and slum landlords. Nothing we haven’t seen before on these type of programs.  

It just shows what can happen if you try managing your property yourself and not know what you are doing. You cannot but feel sorry for those landlords but they do need to take some responsibility themselves if they are finding their own tenants without correctly referencing, taking guarantors or RGI.

I bet they would do more research buying a second hand car then looking into best practice of starting a tenancy.

Regarding the landlord with the tenant in prison and the ex-boyfriend occupying the property what I couldn’t understand was the landlord goes to a court hearing with a “expert” housing solicitor, it appeared  that there was no show by the tenant (in prison), a legal rep of the tenant or the tenants boyfriend. So WHY do they come out with a possession order for 21 days.

It HAS to be 14 days unless undue hardship is claimed. I have had this in court before where a judge tries to give more than 14 days (such as 21 or 28 days) and I just ask for 14 days and the judge goes “ok 14 days then” because they know they have to.

Why didnt this so called “expert” request it and then point the judge to the statute in question. I could understand if it was a closed door hearing without the claimant present.

The other case of the teachers living in that property and racking up 16k of arrears made my blood boil. If I was the landlord I wouldn’t have let them take any belongings other than the children stuff  and got the sheriff’s to list EVERYTHING  else not just the TV’s for the debt then burned the lot in front of them. (I probably wouldn’t and don’t know if I could but I like the idea of it).

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4 years later, 2 trips to court and over £5,000 in legal fees and unpaid rent;

I watched this last night and am still wondering what the f### is up with landlords today?!

These type of tenants who claim landlords are in the wrong are destroying the PRS, along with our wonderful government. Ignorance, negligence and just plain laziness from LL’s is allowing these scumbag tenants to simply walk out of one property into another, to do the same all over again to another unsuspecting landlord Yell

Why doesn’t Landlord Actions Paul Shamplina carry Tenant Referencing UK cards around with him?
I suppose because he wouldn’t have any business if he did?! or is that too cynical?Cool

5:05 pm

Yeah, totally agree!  As for referencing, that silly old moo (sorry, landlord) last night probably spent longer brushing her horse’s tail!

Last week another silly old moo got her house back having made the same mistake as last night’s.  (Did you see her – all turned out in her disco gear – attending the repossession?!)

This is supposed to be a new series, but it’s the same old stuff!

Are landlords really such slow learners????  What does it take, eh?  

What about renaming the programme ‘How to see your rent spent in Court fees?’  The eureka moment is when landlords twig that no rent = spending their own money on top of lost rent to be rid of those who shouldn’t have been housed in the first place.  You can but hope……. or get the prayer mat out, one or the other.

As for Paul Shamplina, he likes to self-promote and seems to prefer to play ‘the hero of the piece’ rather than support the full educational worth of the series.  Notice his role always stops as soon as a property gets repossessed….and he then swans off, all swag, into the mist. 

For the landlords who have learned their lesson and choose to re-rent their property after a lengthy house rescue/cleaning operation, the programme leaves them ‘taking a chance’ on renting it again, hopefully to better tenants next time.  That message isn’t good enough!

Rather than stop with the personal glory taking, Paul Shamplina could do much more for the industry if he wanted to.  If he cared enough, he could include information on how to thoroughly reference prospective tenants next time and the measures available such as RGI for complete peace of mind – which would show a fully ‘joined up’ letting industry is out there, complete with a range of professional landlord services (of which, his business is only one part).

The letting industry is not about showcasing one man’s ego.  So, sorry, Paul Shamplina:  you don’t quite cut it for me.

It’s about landlords being strong together – as we are – and working for the good of the industry – as we do – with LRS!!!



6:38 am
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Landlord 001 how slow you say! OMG you need to sit in our office for a day. One landlord yesterday might as well called me a old toss pot because I said I would not do a full reference and guarantor for £12. When I explained what we did and how long it took they said well they seem like a nice couple I will not bother.

Cant argue with that sensibility one eh!SurprisedConfusedLaugh

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It must make you wonder Paul about the supposed intelligence of these LL!?

I didn’t realise how thick many LL are

Quite frankly most of them are too stupid to  be in business

The idiot you quote above just beggars belief

With ignorant perceptions like the idiot LL displayed you really have no hope!

Sad to say but this idiot LL will probably be stitched up by the nice couple

I think the point is over the years you have attracted lots of LL to the LRS drinking trough

The LL have then stood around be refusing to drink!

I reckon many of them are now ex LL or much poorer ones for not drinking!!!

The point being these LL are supposedly responsible adults when clearly as you’ve proven they simply aren’t

Have you seen the PRA proposals

Lenders will be required to ensure that their client LL are able to pay the mortgage in the event of rent arrears

RGI will do that for you, but of course nice couples might not qualify for RGI and this LL will be in breach of mortgage conditions if he takes the nice couple on

If they default he has the property repossessed for breaching mortgage conditions

Its coming!!!

10:30 am

Did anyone watch last nights episode on Channel 5? The landlady who regretted letting her flat to a mother and daughter after trouble with late rent payments turned into a nightmare needs to be directed here !!! / http://www.landlordreferencing…..ferencing/

As a landlord myself I can see both sides of the story, you get good and bad tenants but equally get good and bad landlords; not looking after their properties and keeping up with all the latest legislation that’s involved in today’s industry. In my experience, you can tell who’s a good landlord pretty easily e.g. those (like me) who keep their properties up together and go above & beyond to get as many references, cross references, tenant history, financial checks, 3-6 months of bank statements, etcccc to find the best possible tenant. Whereas those who don’t bother to do any referencing and just put the first person who walks through the door into their property on the same day(!), are more often than not these so-called ‘slum’ landlords who’s only worry is a vacant property; with no foresight that it could cost them their livelihood to get them out when they turn out to be a complete nightmare like last nights story.

I cannot abide landlords who wouldn’t live in their own properties. If you wouldn’t live in it yourself because it s ****-hole, then why the HELL do you expect anyone else to pay to live in it?! – With this in mind, I really admire and respect what the newly formed National Landlords Code of Excellence are doing; just what our broken industry needs without the government wasting time and money on piling more ill-thought-out legislation onto our struggling sector.

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Hi Steve, thanks for your comment. I watched it too, it was this episode:

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10:09 am

Why does Mr Shamplina continually fail to mention that there’s already a database of good and bad tenants, although mentions Landlord Referencing in one of his books? … very odd practice, from a fellow who claims to want to help the industry…?!?! Yell

7:48 pm
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CharlieL6 said
Why does Mr Shamplina continually fail to mention that there’s already a database of good and bad tenants, although mentions Landlord Referencing in one of his books? … very odd practice, from a fellow who claims to want to help the industry…?!?! Yell

Indeed perhaps he could mention LRS but stress there are no other network referencing operations but there are other referencing operations.

I must admit I am increasingly annoyed by his refusal to name a service which exactly meets his stated recommendations as to a tenant database.

He has been given several opportunities to mention the existing tenant database but refuses to do so.

He needs to be taken to task as to why he refuses to mention LRS

If this is for commercial reasons then fair enough.

But the least he could do is advise that there IS a national database with many good and bad tenants on it.

Anyone doing a Google search will find LRS!

9:56 am

Anyone see the latest Nightmare Tenants, Slum landlords episode? Mr Shamplina helpfully telling landlords to use accredited letting agents rather than taking the cheaper option… Might have been an idea to say use agents who USE TENANT HISTORIES !!! Yell But then he does endorse a national agent, does he not? Wink

TR Lettings are brilliant, give them a try! Cool

5:41 pm

One question

If you have a tenant for years that have been no problem

You have one recent tenant :

They passed all the tests.

Really good references. Good credit score, lifestyle history etc

Impecable employment reference from  boss (the company was checked) and his wage slips , bank statements OK.

He moves in, no problems at first and then he starts drinking 2 months into his new contract.

Police are called by neighbours because he threatened and frightened young lady next door and others. A talk with him and ask him to leave. Possibility of him signing deed of surrender. Is this legal within the first six months ?  

9:38 am

Amy said
Possibility of him signing deed of surrender. Is this legal within the first six months ?

If not, Section 8?

4:08 pm

Section 8 is my next stop. Never done one before and not sure how long it will take?

10:59 am

From October we will all have to go for mediation before taking recovery action through the courts. MADNESS!! AND will encourage tenants like these to go from one landlord to another living free of charge. We should ALL report these tenants to and check their database before taking on new tenants. It’s our only hope of stopping these people.

1:49 pm

Im a private tennant been with my landlord for for the last 8 years i paid no deposit and on houseing benefit as my wife is disabled my landlord is brilliant and i belive we are good trusting tennants i feel for landlords thet have been treated badly  but i belive dss tenants can be a good invesment as the rent can be garenteed .

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