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Beware of inferior imitations, they may cost you dearly. . .
15/05/2012
3:33 pm
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We would like to take this opportunity to WARN, not only the entirety of our landlord and letting community, but the whole of the UK property industry about THIS: http://www.landlordreferencing.....reference/

15/05/2012
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It truly is such a shame that people cant be original and have their own ideas and just plagiarise us all the time . When they copy us and market themselves using our ideas they just try and ride on our hard work to get a cheap client base by cheating people who are searching for us, but people just see through their façade and what they don't realise is they do themselves and their companies more damage than good. Oh dear!!Frown

15/05/2012
8:32 pm
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Great that WE are still going, Paul i take my hat off to you the service you provide must have saved landlords thousands, shame more letting agents/estate agents wont join what is a great concept. I stay comitted, been in since the start and ive only saved a little BUT i saved for free. Win Win for me. BoB

15/05/2012
8:57 pm
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Wow BOB, I thought you had passed on lol Laugh (only a joke sensitive people) really great to hear from you are you still down at bad court. Hope you are well, there is a particularly nasty guy in Weston at the moment who has the greatest references but is involved in guns. has fantastic references - smoothie with all you need to get the property, if he turns up call me. Got the inside track and he is out of London and delivering into the West country.

16/05/2012
9:33 am
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Well I am totally confused and hope someone can assist me !

I had a real scumbag who ran off and owed me thousands in rent and basically trashed my flat.  As I said a real scumbag from the real lower parts of society.  My own fault as I didn't check him out before I gave him the keys to the flat.

When I realised there was a potential problem looming I joined you and have been a member now for a about 12 months.  I did see a link to this other site and thought what the heck I may as well try and see what they have to say about the matter.  I have to say I am disappointed in their response.  I asked them to contact me by telephone but for whatever reason they chose not to do so.  They have then told me that if I alert other Landlords to this scumbag then I liable to be sued for deformation of character.  This surely can not be right or you people would have alerted us to this by now.  They have also told me that I should not report this scumbag as I haven't got a CCJ against him - how the hell could I do this when he did a moonlight flit.  Is this company giving out misleading information or are they telling the truth.  I am now totally confused.  HELP !

16/05/2012
9:49 am
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Hi Paul,

Saw your warning over the new tenant lifestyle website but got to say I was actually impressed with the site.

I work in a lettings office and although I understand you don't want another competitor from our point of view as a letting agent the more companies like you the better as between you at least the data is being collected and if we join all then we stand a much better chance of getting a result.

Unfortunately for you in the real world there is never going to be just one company who controls all this data and rightly so that would make one company too powerful and would certainly not serve the interests of us property agents as that one company would have a monopoly (never a good thing) so I am all for a few more companies like yourselves.

Whilst I like your service a great deal I have to be honest I have joined other competitors of yours and will join this new company as well, what I dont like about LRS is the constant need to feel you have to attack any rivals, your service is excellent but we are all adults and would have known this new company was not part of you without the need for you to contact us all and we can make our own decisions, in my opinion for what its worth as an employee of a firm regestered with you I would get on with running your own first class service and not worry about the opposition let them worry about you as they clearly need to.

No offence meant.

JC      

16/05/2012
9:52 am
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Hi Bobby,

The company in question have no idea what they are talking about. Tenant alerts a simply the initials of a tenant who has left owing rent or damaged property behind them, there is no sensitive data on them and unless the tenant in question is actually sitting in front of you giving you his personal details, he is no more than a name which you could get from a phone book.

Tenant alerts work because they pre-warn  a landlord or letting agent that a bad tenant is on the move in their area and if an applicant for a rental turns up with the same initials, they can carry out a search and as you know will get a match which gives you the contact details of the last landlord.

You do not need a CCJ because you are quoting fact and you are entitled to do so because you are offering a reference to a third party for the purpose of a contract of tenure, thus, you have a legitimate interest.

Landlordreferencing.co.uk never gives out any sensitive data to a third party ever and that is why we are the safest lifestyle referencing company. It is also why we have succeeded where others have failed and why we are growing bigger every day.

If you want to chat it over give me a call on 01934-645237

Paul

16/05/2012
12:05 pm
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John Crassocks said
Hi Paul,

Saw your warning over the new tenant lifestyle website but got to say I was actually impressed with the site.

I work in a lettings office and although I understand you don't want another competitor from our point of view as a letting agent the more companies like you the better as between you at least the data is being collected and if we join all then we stand a much better chance of getting a result.

Unfortunately for you in the real world there is never going to be just one company who controls all this data and rightly so that would make one company too powerful and would certainly not serve the interests of us property agents as that one company would have a monopoly (never a good thing) so I am all for a few more companies like yourselves.

Whilst I like your service a great deal I have to be honest I have joined other competitors of yours and will join this new company as well, what I dont like about LRS is the constant need to feel you have to attack any rivals, your service is excellent but we are all adults and would have known this new company was not part of you without the need for you to contact us all and we can make our own decisions, in my opinion for what its worth as an employee of a firm regestered with you I would get on with running your own first class service and not worry about the opposition let them worry about you as they clearly need to.

No offence meant.

JC      

Perhaps you have missed the point John, this web site said our tenant alerts were illegal and sends that out to its members in an email.

I have no problem with many sites starting up although I do not agree it is in the best interest of Landlords or Letting Agents, as the more that join different ones the more diluted the data is and the more diluted the data is the less chance you have of stopping bad tenants. However that aside what we have only ever done is defend ourselves against the libellous attacks from others.

I and my team have built this business on hard work and honesty and I myself have spent 2 years unpaid protecting landlords and letting agent free. I do not intend to stand by and allow some overnight dell boy outfit  to copy everything I do and lie about us unchallenged.

I am sorry if you feel that we defend our reputation to vehemently from the unscrupulous who constantly try to build themselves up by putting others down with lies, but, to me they are the lowest of low in business.

I have removed your back links to their web site for obvious reasons.

16/05/2012
12:55 pm
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Hi Paul,

Apologies for putting their website address on this forum not meant to offend and also no I was not aware of any allegations they make about your alerts, having said that whilst I understand you want to defend your business you really dont need to publicise it to your whole membership as it does you no good.

We all love the LRS system and appreciate your work on this but please give us some credit we can all make up our own minds on other companies without you having to slate your competitors, they then slate you and off it goes and you all get bad press.

Personally we will stick with you, your main competitor and this new company and don't feel we have anything to lose by joining all three.

 

Thanks

 

JC 

16/05/2012
2:43 pm
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Hi John,

It is everyone's choice who they wish to join, but as I say the more sites landlords & Agents join the more work they need to do in uploading all their tenant onto them and if they don't then the data is diluted and not as effective. Why join loads when you can join us and get everything under one roof. 

Quite frankly I wish our competitors well because many have already failed and its a 12 hour a day 6 days a week job with bad pay, so but good luck to them.

As I say I don't think defending our company from libellous attacks and false allergations is slating other Companies, on the contrary I think it is the opposite as it is they that are slating us.

 

If any of them think that they can try a destroy what we have built through their lies they are very wrong and if they were right "I would not be the man for this job"

16/05/2012
6:23 pm
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Paul as the song goes "You have seen them come and go and long ago stopped asking why" don't let them rile you, your tireless work at helping change this industry is not going noticed and your work to stop bad tenants in this country will be rewarded.

John if we had a few more Paul's and Mary's doing half what these two do every day free, we would all be a lot better off.

16/05/2012
6:26 pm
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Kirsty said
Paul as the song goes "You have seen them come and go and long ago stopped asking why" don't let them rile you, your tireless work at helping change this industry is not going noticed and your work to stop bad tenants in this country will be rewarded.

John if we had a few more Paul's and Mary's doing half what these two do every day free, we would all be a lot better off.

That was unnoticed not noticedLaugh how do I edit my post

17/05/2012
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Kirsty said
Hi Paul,

Saw your warning over the new tenant lifestyle website but got to say I was actually impressed with the site.

I work in a lettings office and although I understand you don't want another competitor from our point of view as a letting agent the more companies like you the better as between you at least the data is being collected and if we join all then we stand a much better chance of getting a result.

Unfortunately for you in the real world there is never going to be just one company who controls all this data and rightly so that would make one company too powerful and would certainly not serve the interests of us property agents as that one company would have a monopoly (never a good thing) so I am all for a few more companies like yourselves.

Whilst I like your service a great deal I have to be honest I have joined other competitors of yours and will join this new company as well, what I dont like about LRS is the constant need to feel you have to attack any rivals, your service is excellent but we are all adults and would have known this new company was not part of you without the need for you to contact us all and we can make our own decisions, in my opinion for what its worth as an employee of a firm regestered with you I would get on with running your own first class service and not worry about the opposition let them worry about you as they clearly need to.

No offence meant.

JC      

Hi John

Having been a member of this site for a long time and reading between the lines of your post, it is my honest opinion that you are not an innocent bystander who simply works in a lettings office but are part of the other site.

However, this aside, the problem with having more than one site that does this is that it is all down to dilution of data and I upload religiously all my new tenants information.  I upload when they leave, why they leave, what their lifestyle was like when they were with us.  I also contact LRS when a tenant stops paying or are a nuisance in their behaviour and ask them to send out a tenant alert as by then, I know that these undesirable tenants are going to try and move elsewhere and I feel it is my duty to warn other unsuspecting Landlords.  In the beginning I also took weeks to collate all my past tenants and upload them onto LRS.  I have also received many calls from other Landlords about the tenants on LRS and have had pleasure in saying they are great tenants or that they need a wide berth.  

I would have absolutely no interest in uploading this information onto other similar sites because it is time consuming in a World that consumes my time enough.  

I liken it to belonging only to Facebook because that is where everyone else is a member, therefore you will find them; rather than being silly enough to hope that if I joined another site, such as BIBO or whatever they were called, that I would locate any of my friends. 

Therefore, the more concentrated and accurate the data, the better the data base and the more chance of not letting to a bad tenant.  With having only one site means you need only contact the one source.  Easy, quick, simple and efficient.

As for the monopolies commission - I cannot possibly see that they would have any interest in a site that does not charge any money???  However, maybe we should contact them and ask that when they have finished dealing with the likes of Rupert Murdoch and BskyB can they turn their attention to LRS!!!! Confused

17/05/2012
3:30 pm
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Hi Sharon,

I am amazed by your comments that I am in any way shape or form involved with any LRS competitors except as a member of each which I freely admit just because I happen to mention that Paul does not need to keep slating his opposition.

 

It seems to me you have ulterior motives and I suggest you read my comments again as you have clearly misunderstood them.

 

As to the monopolies commission who mentioned them, I said its not always a good idea for any one company to have a monopoly so please read correctly before you jump in with both feet making a complete fool of yourself.

JC    

17/05/2012
3:58 pm
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I don't usually post on this type of thread but I wanted to give a view if I may.

 

The reason that it is important to collate all the data about criminal tenants in one place is that most landlords don't join anything but if we can get them to join ONE site and feed in their info and check their new applicants we can drive out criminal tenants and give good tenants, who may not have a great credit history, a better chance of finding a nice home.  If we expect landlords to check & feed into 2,3, or more sites it will not happen and the whole opportunity is lost.

I am all for healthy competition but not in this particular case it would be a bit like having 3 different data bases to be maintained and checked by a GP to record medical records - time consuming and more room for error.

This is a personal opinion and while I am very happy to support and be associated with LRS I have NO commercial interest in this site other than that of a landlord member and to date I have only met Paul Routledge twice.

17/05/2012
4:49 pm
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Hi John,

I don't think Sharon meant too offend, but some may see it strange that you should take the opportunity to post a competitors back link on a site which is clearly having problems with the libellous allegations they are making about them.

I think she may have considered that you were an opportunist trying to get traffic to that site via a back link and therefore it would be normal to assume you were associated with them. As you say you are not then just a mistake made in social protocol it seems to have been.

Thank you for being part of our debates and hope you continue to join in.

Paul

18/05/2012
5:13 am
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Social protocol indeed, Back links Why?, Don't slate off the ones that attack you!! MmmmmConfused No smoke without fire "absolutely".

18/05/2012
12:35 pm
John Crassocks
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Hi Paul,

 

Ok no problem.

As to social protocol, back links etc I am clearly not up to date with this which I apologise for and I did say sorry in my previous posts for that.

It does seem strange to me that everyone always seems to think the worst on these forums so maybe a bit too much paranoia going on.

 

Perhaps as Jeremy Kyle says they should smoke less weed to avoid the paranoia!!!    

 

JC   

18/05/2012
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