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Fire Services may start charging private landlords for false alarms
28/08/2014
11:13 am
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Leicestershire Fire and Rescue Service is considering charging private landlords if they are called out for false alarms.

The proposal will be considered on September 3rd by a fire service scrutiny committee and comes about after a large amount of call outs for false alarms over the past 12 months.

The report in which the proposal was made states that the authority spent in excess of £24,000 on false alarms from July 2013 to July 2014.

The author of the proposal insists that the proposal is not financially motivated. Instead he hopes that it will serve to pressure landlords into maintain their alarm systems.

Do you feel this is a fair way of dealing with the situation? Leave your comments below.

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28/08/2014
11:40 am
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There was a tenant in my block of 100 flats who set off the fire alarm up to 11 times a day over a period of two years before she was caught.  Although we manage to nip most of these false alarms in the bud however the fire service still attended at least twice a week. 

Maintaining the fire alarm so that it does not falsely activate is one thing but how does one deal with a mentally defective tenant?

For the record since the tenant left there have been no false alarms in over three years.

29/08/2014
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I agree David this is a big problem for landlords and for the Fire Departments.  I suppose if we are charged for false alarms we will be able to charge the tenants from their deposits?  Maybe that would stop them but I think that it would be better to charge the tenants directly from the fire service because it is not the landlord who sets off the alarms and tenants are adults who should be held accountable for their own actions.

I suppose that its easier for the them to get their money from the landlord. I wonder if this would be grounds for evicting a tenant?

29/08/2014
1:15 pm
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Sheila I know from personal experience that it is not grounds for eviction.  I was warned that if I excluded the lady concerned then it is me who would be arrested.  In the event she excluded herself by being charged with arson after she set fire to her 'wardrobe in the bath'.

29/08/2014
7:38 pm
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David Price said
Sheila I know from personal experience that it is not grounds for eviction.  I was warned that if I excluded the lady concerned then it is me who would be arrested.  In the event she excluded herself by being charged with arson after she set fire to her 'wardrobe in the bath'.

David, the most my tenants have in the bath is a rubber duck. why are you putting wardrobes in yours? Laugh

On a serious note, if the fire alarm has not been maintained and is therefore causing false alarms, then it is fair that the landlord is charged. However if the false alarm is caused by a tenant then they are the ones who should be fined. Sadly I suspect that the Fire Service will target the soft option, namely the landlord.

10/02/2015
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David Price said
Sheila I know from personal experience that it is not grounds for eviction.  I was warned that if I excluded the lady concerned then it is me who would be arrested.  In the event she excluded herself by being charged with arson after she set fire to her 'wardrobe in the bath'.

This is where the law is wrong. Landlords need to have the option of evicting tenants if they cause fires or are a danger to others.  

I put smoke alarms and small fire extinguishers in my properties having once been in a fire myself. 

Is there such a thing as a tenant proof smoke alarm? 

One tenant set fire to a kitchen with a pan fire even though i put two fire extinguishers and a fire blanket in the kitchen. The extinguishers were never used. 

I have had batteries taken out of smoke alarms and carrier bags put over the wired in ones  to prevent the smell of burnt food activating them in the hall. Tenants smoke in the property and years ago one smoked in bed and set fire to it. 

I have been looking for a cooker with a timer on it , like an egg timer that you turn to 30, 40 50 minutes and then when the tenant has gone to the bookies and forgot to switch if off- The cooker switches itself off. 

Is all that the landlords fault?  If there are  more fires or false fire alarms in the PRS sector it may partly be because of the tenants?  

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